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Chapter 6 · Application of Derivatives

Exercise 6.1 · Q11: Where on 6y=x3+26y = x^3 + 2 does yy change 8 times as fast as xx⁠?

Exercise 6.1Rate of change of quantities · Section 6.2
The question

A particle moves along the curve 6y=x3+26y = x^3 + 2⁠. Find the points on the curve at which the yy-coordinate is changing 8 times as fast as the xx-coordinate.

Exam answer

Differentiating 6y=x3+26y = x^3 + 2 w.r.t. tt⁠,

6 dydt=3x2 dxdt6\,\frac{dy}{dt} = 3x^2\,\frac{dx}{dt}

Given dydt=8 dxdt\frac{dy}{dt} = 8\,\frac{dx}{dt}⁠, with dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0⁠:

6⋅8 dxdt=3x2 dxdt⇒ x2=16\begin{aligned} 6\cdot 8\,\frac{dx}{dt} &= 3x^2\,\frac{dx}{dt} \\ \Rightarrow\ x^2 &= 16 \end{aligned}

So x=4x = 4 or x=−4x = -4⁠.

When x=4x = 4⁠: 6y=666y = 66⁠, so y=11y = 11⁠.

When x=−4x = -4⁠: 6y=−626y = -62⁠, so y=−313y = -\frac{31}{3}⁠.

∴\therefore the points are (4,11)(4, 11) and (−4,−313)\left(-4, -\dfrac{31}{3}\right)⁠.

Want the reason behind every step, the basics and the checks?

The one idea this problem is built on

As the particle moves, both its coordinates xx and yy change with time, but they must always satisfy 6y=x3+26y = x^3 + 2⁠. Differentiating that equation with respect to time links the two rates: dydt=x22⋅dxdt\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{x^2}{2}\cdot\frac{dx}{dt}⁠. So the ratio of the rates at any point is x22\frac{x^2}{2}⁠, and "8 times as fast" means x22=8\frac{x^2}{2} = 8⁠. Geometrically, these are the points where the curve's slope dydx\frac{dy}{dx} is 8.

Given, to find, and the plan
Given
A particle whose position (x,y)(x, y) at time tt always satisfies 6y=x3+26y = x^3 + 2⁠.
To find
All points (x,y)(x, y) of the curve where dydt=8 dxdt\frac{dy}{dt} = 8\,\frac{dx}{dt}⁠.
Plan
(1) Translate the words into an equation between rates. (2) Differentiate the curve's equation with respect to tt⁠. (3) Combine and solve for xx (all solutions). (4) Find the matching yy values from the curve. (5) Interpret as slope.

Basics you need

1Rates of the coordinates

For a moving particle, dxdt\frac{dx}{dt} and dydt\frac{dy}{dt} are the rates at which its coordinates change. "yy changes 8 times as fast as xx" means dydt=8 dxdt\frac{dy}{dt} = 8\,\frac{dx}{dt}⁠. Basics: rate of change as a derivative

2Differentiating a relation with respect to time

If xx depends on tt⁠, then ddt(x3)=3x2 dxdt\frac{d}{dt}\left(x^3\right) = 3x^2\,\frac{dx}{dt} and ddt(6y)=6 dydt\frac{d}{dt}(6y) = 6\,\frac{dy}{dt}⁠. Basics: related rates (chain rule)

3Cancelling a factor safely

From a⋅k=b⋅ka\cdot k = b\cdot k we may conclude a=ba = b only if k≠0k \ne 0⁠. Write (a−b)k=0(a - b)k = 0 and say why k≠0k \ne 0⁠.

4Solving x2=16x^2 = 16

A square equals 16 for two values, x=4x = 4 and x=−4x = -4⁠. Missing the negative root loses half the answer. Basics: factorising

Solution

  1. Turn the words into an equation

    Let the particle be at (x,y)(x, y) at time tt⁠. The condition "the yy-coordinate is changing 8 times as fast as the xx-coordinate" is

    dydt=8 dxdt.\frac{dy}{dt} = 8\,\frac{dx}{dt}.

    We assume the particle is actually moving along the curve at that moment, so dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0⁠.

    "Changing 8 times as fast" compares two rates of change, and rates are derivatives with respect to time. The assumption dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0 matters: if xx were not changing, then (as Step 2 shows) yy would not change either, and "0=8×00 = 8\times 0" would hold at every point. The question asks for particular points, so it means a moving particle, with xx actually changing.
    Section 6.2: dydt\frac{dy}{dt} is the rate of change of yy with respect to tt⁠. Basics: rate of change as a derivative
  2. Differentiate the curve's equation with respect to tt

    The equation 6y=x3+26y = x^3 + 2 holds at every moment of the motion, so we may differentiate both sides with respect to tt⁠:

    ddt(6y)=ddt(x3+2),6 dydt=3x2 dxdt+0.\begin{aligned} \frac{d}{dt}(6y) &= \frac{d}{dt}\left(x^3 + 2\right), \\ 6\,\frac{dy}{dt} &= 3x^2\,\frac{dx}{dt} + 0. \end{aligned}

    Dividing by 6,

    dydt=x22 dxdt.\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{x^2}{2}\,\frac{dx}{dt}.
    The left side is a constant 6 times yy⁠, so its rate is 6 times yy's rate. On the right, x3x^3 depends on tt through xx⁠, so the chain rule gives 3x23x^2 times dxdt\frac{dx}{dt}⁠, and the constant 2 contributes 0. This one equation holds at every point of the path.
    Chain rule (Theorem 4, Section 5.3.1) and ddx(x3)=3x2\frac{d}{dx}\left(x^3\right) = 3x^2 (Table 5.3). Basics: related rates (chain rule)
  3. Impose the condition and solve for xx

    Put dydt=x22 dxdt\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{x^2}{2}\,\frac{dx}{dt} into the condition dydt=8 dxdt\frac{dy}{dt} = 8\,\frac{dx}{dt}⁠:

    x22 dxdt=8 dxdt,(x22−8)dxdt=0.\begin{aligned} \frac{x^2}{2}\,\frac{dx}{dt} &= 8\,\frac{dx}{dt}, \\ \left(\frac{x^2}{2} - 8\right)\frac{dx}{dt} &= 0. \end{aligned}

    Since dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0 (Step 1), the bracket must be zero:

    x22=8  ⟹  x2=16  ⟹  x=4 or x=−4.\frac{x^2}{2} = 8 \;\Longrightarrow\; x^2 = 16 \;\Longrightarrow\; x = 4 \ \text{or}\ x = -4.
    A product is zero only when a factor is zero. Writing the equation as a product, instead of silently "cancelling dxdt\frac{dx}{dt}", shows exactly where the assumption dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0 is used. Then x2=16x^2 = 16 has two real solutions, and both must be kept.
    x2=16  ⟺  (x−4)(x+4)=0  ⟺  x=4x^2 = 16 \iff (x - 4)(x + 4) = 0 \iff x = 4 or x=−4x = -4⁠. Basics: factorising
  4. Find the yy-coordinates from the curve

    Each point must lie on 6y=x3+26y = x^3 + 2⁠.

    • x=4x = 4⁠: 6y=43+2=64+2=666y = 4^3 + 2 = 64 + 2 = 66⁠, so y=666=11y = \frac{66}{6} = 11⁠.
    • x=−4x = -4⁠: 6y=(−4)3+2=−64+2=−626y = (-4)^3 + 2 = -64 + 2 = -62⁠, so y=−626=−313y = -\frac{62}{6} = -\frac{31}{3}⁠.

    The points are (4,11)(4, 11) and (−4,−313)\left(-4, -\frac{31}{3}\right)⁠.

    The question asks for points, so we need both coordinates. The cube keeps the sign: (−4)3=−64(-4)^3 = -64⁠, and then −64+2=−62-64 + 2 = -62⁠, not −66-66⁠.
  5. See it as a slope

    Section 6.2 gives dydx=dy/dtdx/dt\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy/dt}{dx/dt} when dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0⁠. From Step 2 this ratio is x22\frac{x^2}{2}⁠, which is also what we get by differentiating y=x3+26y = \frac{x^3 + 2}{6} directly with respect to xx⁠. So the question asks where the curve's slope is 8, and the slope x22\frac{x^2}{2} equals 8 exactly at x=±4x = \pm 4⁠. The figure shows the two points with short segments of slope 8.

    Also note that x22≥0\frac{x^2}{2} \ge 0⁠: dydt\frac{dy}{dt} and dxdt\frac{dx}{dt} never have opposite signs. So reading "8 times as fast" as a statement about speeds, ∣dydt∣=8∣dxdt∣\left|\frac{dy}{dt}\right| = 8\left|\frac{dx}{dt}\right|⁠, gives the same equation x22=8\frac{x^2}{2} = 8 and the same two points.

    The slope picture explains why the answer does not depend on how fast the particle moves: the ratio of the two rates is fixed by the shape of the curve at that point. The sign remark shows the answer is the same under either reasonable reading of "as fast as".
    Section 6.2: dydx=dydt/dxdt\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dt}\Big/\frac{dx}{dt}⁠, provided dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0⁠. Lesson: rate of change of quantities
−4 −2 2 4 −20 −10 10 20 x y (4, 11) (−4, −31/3) 6y = x³ + 2 red segments: slope 8
The curve 6y=x3+26y = x^3 + 2 (scales differ on the two axes). At (4,11)(4, 11) and (−4,−313)\left(-4, -\frac{31}{3}\right) the slope x22\frac{x^2}{2} equals 8 (red segments), so there yy changes 8 times as fast as xx⁠, whichever way and however fast the particle moves.
Result

The yy-coordinate changes 8 times as fast as the xx-coordinate at the two points

(4, 11)and(−4, −313).(4,\ 11) \qquad\text{and}\qquad \left(-4,\ -\tfrac{31}{3}\right).

(Textbook answer: (4,11)(4, 11) and (−4,−313)\left(-4, \frac{-31}{3}\right)⁠.)

Check it with numbers

On the curve: 6(11)=66=43+26(11) = 66 = 4^3 + 2 and 6(−313)=−62=(−4)3+26\left(-\frac{31}{3}\right) = -62 = (-4)^3 + 2⁠. Both points lie on it. Now let the particle move with x=4+tx = 4 + t near t=0t = 0⁠, so dxdt=1\frac{dx}{dt} = 1⁠. Over a short time either side, xx goes from 3.999 to 4.001 and

4.0013+26−3.9993+260.002≈8.0000002,\frac{\dfrac{4.001^3 + 2}{6} - \dfrac{3.999^3 + 2}{6}}{0.002} \approx 8.0000002,

so yy changes about 8 times as fast as xx⁠. (The value −313-\frac{31}{3} is about −10.33-10.33⁠, as in the figure.)

Common mistakes
  1. Keeping only x=4x = 4⁠. x2=16x^2 = 16 also has x=−4x = -4⁠, which gives a second point.
  2. Arithmetic with the negative cube. (−4)3+2=−62(-4)^3 + 2 = -62⁠, so y=−313y = -\frac{31}{3}⁠. Writing −66-66 or +313+\frac{31}{3} is a sign slip.
  3. Setting y=8xy = 8x⁠. The condition is about rates, dydt=8dxdt\frac{dy}{dt} = 8\frac{dx}{dt}⁠, not about the coordinates themselves.
  4. Cancelling dxdt\frac{dx}{dt} without comment. It is allowed only because the particle is moving (dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0⁠); say so.
What to take away
  1. For a particle on a curve, differentiate the curve's equation with respect to tt to relate dxdt\frac{dx}{dt} and dydt\frac{dy}{dt}⁠.
  2. The ratio dy/dtdx/dt\frac{dy/dt}{dx/dt} is the slope dydx\frac{dy}{dx}⁠, so "y changes kk times as fast as x" means "the slope is kk".
  3. When solving, find every root, then compute the full point on the curve for each.

Every fact used, and where it comes from

FactUsed inSource
Rates of change as derivatives with respect to timeStep 1Section 6.2 (Lesson: rate of change of quantities)
Chain ruleStep 2Theorem 4, Section 5.3.1
ddx(x3)=3x2\frac{d}{dx}\left(x^3\right) = 3x^2Step 2Table 5.3, Section 5.3
A product is zero only if a factor is zeroStep 3Algebra
dydx=dydt/dxdt\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dt}\Big/\frac{dx}{dt} when dxdt≠0\frac{dx}{dt} \ne 0Step 5Section 6.2 (chain rule form)
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