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Chapter 6 · Application of Derivatives

Exercise 6.1 · Q10: A 5 m ladder slides: how fast does the top fall?

Exercise 6.1Rate of change of quantities · Section 6.2
The question

A ladder 5 m long is leaning against a wall. The bottom of the ladder is pulled along the ground, away from the wall, at the rate of 2cm/s. How fast is its height on the wall decreasing when the foot of the ladder is 4 m away from the wall ?

Exam answer

At time tt s, let the foot of the ladder be xx cm from the wall and its top yy cm high. Given dxdt=2\frac{dx}{dt} = 2 cm/s. Length of ladder =5= 5 m =500= 500 cm.

x2+y2=5002x^2 + y^2 = 500^2

Differentiating w.r.t. tt⁠,

2x dxdt+2y dydt=0⇒ dydt=−xy dxdt\begin{aligned} 2x\,\frac{dx}{dt} + 2y\,\frac{dy}{dt} &= 0 \\ \Rightarrow\ \frac{dy}{dt} &= -\frac{x}{y}\,\frac{dx}{dt} \end{aligned}

At x=400x = 400⁠, y=5002−4002=300y = \sqrt{500^2 - 400^2} = 300⁠.

dydt=−400300×2=−83\frac{dy}{dt} = -\frac{400}{300}\times 2 = -\frac83

∴\therefore the height on the wall is decreasing at 83\dfrac83 cm/s.

Want the reason behind every step, the basics and the checks?

The one idea this problem is built on

The wall, the ground and the ladder form a right triangle whose hypotenuse never changes: it is always the 5 m ladder. So the distance xx of the foot from the wall and the height yy of the top are tied together by Pythagoras, x2+y2=5002x^2 + y^2 = 500^2 (in cm), at every moment. Differentiating this relation with respect to time ties their rates together: x dxdt+y dydt=0x\,\frac{dx}{dt} + y\,\frac{dy}{dt} = 0⁠. Knowing dxdt\frac{dx}{dt} and the position at the instant, we solve for dydt\frac{dy}{dt}⁠.

Given, to find, and the plan
Given
Ladder length 5 m =500= 500 cm, constant. The foot moves away from the wall at 2 cm/s, so dxdt=+2\frac{dx}{dt} = +2 cm/s. The instant of interest: foot 4 m =400= 400 cm from the wall.
To find
How fast the height on the wall is decreasing at that instant, that is, the size of dydt\frac{dy}{dt} (which will come out negative).
Plan
(1) Name the variables and put every length in cm. (2) Write the Pythagoras relation. (3) Find the height at the instant. (4) Differentiate the relation with respect to tt (chain rule). (5) Substitute the instant's values. (6) Read the sign.

Basics you need

1A rate of change is a derivative

If a quantity yy changes with time tt⁠, then dydt\frac{dy}{dt} is its rate of change: how many units of yy per unit of time, at that instant. It is positive while yy increases and negative while yy decreases (the Note after Example 3, Section 6.2). Basics: rate of change as a derivative

2Related rates: the chain rule in time

If xx depends on tt⁠, then ddt(x2)=2x dxdt\frac{d}{dt}\left(x^2\right) = 2x\,\frac{dx}{dt}⁠: differentiate with respect to xx⁠, then multiply by dxdt\frac{dx}{dt}⁠. Basics: related rates (chain rule)

3Pythagoras theorem

In a right triangle with legs aa⁠, bb and hypotenuse cc⁠, a2+b2=c2a^2 + b^2 = c^2⁠. Here the right angle is where the wall meets the ground.

4One unit throughout

The lengths are given in metres but the speed in cm/s. Convert everything to one unit (here cm) before doing any arithmetic: 1 m == 100 cm.

Solution

  1. Name the variables and fix the units

    At time tt seconds, let

    • xx = distance of the foot of the ladder from the wall, in cm;
    • yy = height of the top of the ladder above the ground, in cm.

    Both change with time. The ladder's length does not: it is 55 m =500= 500 cm. The foot moves away from the wall, so xx increases:

    dxdt=2 cm/s.\frac{dx}{dt} = 2 \text{ cm/s}.

    The instant we care about is when x=4x = 4 m =400= 400 cm.

    The rate is given in cm/s, so working in cm means the answer comes out directly in cm/s. Mixing metres and centimetres in one formula is the most common way to get this question wrong by a factor of 100. We also assume, as the question intends, that the wall is vertical, the ground horizontal, and the top of the ladder stays in contact with the wall while the foot slides.
    dxdt>0\frac{dx}{dt} > 0 because xx is growing. A decreasing quantity would get a negative rate, as with the length in Example 4 (dxdt=−3\frac{dx}{dt} = -3 cm/min). Basics: rate of change as a derivative
  2. The relation between xx and yy

    The wall and the ground meet at a right angle, and the ladder is the hypotenuse of the right triangle they form (see the figure). By Pythagoras,

    x2+y2=5002=250000for every t.x^2 + y^2 = 500^2 = 250000 \quad\text{for every } t.
    To connect the two rates we first need an equation connecting the two quantities themselves, and it must hold at every moment, not just at the instant. The ladder's fixed length gives exactly such an equation. Only an equation true for all tt may be differentiated with respect to tt⁠.
    Pythagoras theorem: (leg)2^2 + (leg)2^2 = (hypotenuse)2^2⁠.
  3. The height at the instant

    Put x=400x = 400 into the relation:

    y2=250000−4002=250000−160000=90000,y=90000=300 cm.\begin{aligned} y^2 &= 250000 - 400^2 \\ &= 250000 - 160000 = 90000, \\ y &= \sqrt{90000} = 300 \text{ cm}. \end{aligned}

    We take the positive square root because yy is a height. So at the instant the top is 3 m up the wall: the triangle is the familiar 3-4-5 right triangle.

    The formula for dydt\frac{dy}{dt} in Step 4 will involve both xx and yy⁠, and the question gives only xx⁠. The relation from Step 2 supplies yy at the same moment.
  4. Differentiate the relation with respect to time

    Differentiate both sides of x2+y2=250000x^2 + y^2 = 250000 with respect to tt⁠. Each square is a function of a quantity that depends on tt⁠, so use the chain rule on each:

    ddt(x2)=2x dxdt,ddt(y2)=2y dydt,ddt(250000)=0.\begin{aligned} \frac{d}{dt}\left(x^2\right) &= 2x\,\frac{dx}{dt}, \\ \frac{d}{dt}\left(y^2\right) &= 2y\,\frac{dy}{dt}, \\ \frac{d}{dt}(250000) &= 0. \end{aligned}

    So

    2x dxdt+2y dydt=0,2x\,\frac{dx}{dt} + 2y\,\frac{dy}{dt} = 0,

    and, dividing by 2y2y (allowed because y≠0y \ne 0 while the top is above the ground),

    dydt=−xy dxdt.\frac{dy}{dt} = -\frac{x}{y}\,\frac{dx}{dt}.
    This is the heart of a related-rates problem: one equation between the quantities becomes one equation between their rates. We differentiate before substituting the instant's numbers. If we put x=400x = 400 first, xx would look like a constant and its rate would wrongly become 0. The right-hand side 250000 is the square of the ladder's length, which never changes, so its rate is 0.
    Chain rule (Theorem 4, Section 5.3.1) with the power rule ddx(x2)=2x\frac{d}{dx}\left(x^2\right) = 2x (Table 5.3). Basics: related rates (chain rule)
  5. Substitute the values at the instant

    Now use x=400x = 400⁠, y=300y = 300 and dxdt=2\frac{dx}{dt} = 2⁠:

    dydt=−400300×2=−43×2=−83 cm/s.\begin{aligned} \frac{dy}{dt} &= -\frac{400}{300}\times 2 \\ &= -\frac{4}{3}\times 2 = -\frac{8}{3} \text{ cm/s}. \end{aligned}

    As a decimal, −83≈−2.67-\frac{8}{3} \approx -2.67 cm/s.

    Every symbol now has a value at the same instant, so the formula from Step 4 gives a number. The units work out: xy\frac{x}{y} is cm divided by cm, a pure number, and dxdt\frac{dx}{dt} is in cm/s, so dydt\frac{dy}{dt} is in cm/s.
  6. Read the sign and answer the question asked

    dydt\frac{dy}{dt} is negative, so the height is decreasing, exactly as the question expects. The question asks how fast it is decreasing, which is the size of the rate:

    rate of decrease=83 cm/s≈2.67 cm/s.\begin{aligned} \text{rate of decrease} &= \frac{8}{3} \text{ cm/s} \\ &\approx 2.67 \text{ cm/s}. \end{aligned}

    Notice the top falls faster than the foot moves out (83>2\frac{8}{3} > 2⁠), because at this moment x>yx > y⁠, so the factor xy=43\frac{x}{y} = \frac{4}{3} is bigger than 1.

    "How fast is it decreasing" already contains the direction, so the answer is stated as a positive speed of decrease. Saying "decreasing at −83-\frac{8}{3} cm/s" would be a double negative. The ratio xy\frac{x}{y} also shows what happens later: as the foot moves out, yy shrinks and xy\frac{x}{y} grows without bound, so near the ground the formula predicts an ever faster fall. In reality the top leaves the wall before that, so the model is only trusted while the top is in contact with the wall.
    Negative rate means decreasing quantity (the Note after Example 3, Section 6.2). Lesson: rate of change of quantities
wall ground x = 4 m y = 3 m ladder 5 m 2 cm/s falls ?
The ladder (blue) at the instant: foot 4 m out, top 3 m up, hypotenuse 5 m. The dashed ladder shows a later moment (foot at 4.5 m, top at about 2.18 m): as the foot moves right at 2 cm/s, the top slides down, and the length stays 5 m. Drawn to scale.
Result

dydt=−83\dfrac{dy}{dt} = -\dfrac{8}{3} cm/s at the instant, so the height on the wall is decreasing at 83\frac{8}{3} cm/s (about 2.67 cm/s) when the foot is 4 m from the wall. (Textbook answer: 83\frac{8}{3} cm/s.)

Check it with numbers

Watch the ladder for 0.01 s on either side of the instant. The foot is then at x=399.98x = 399.98 cm and x=400.02x = 400.02 cm. The heights are

250000−399.982≈300.02666,250000−400.022≈299.97333.\begin{aligned} \sqrt{250000 - 399.98^2} &\approx 300.02666, \\ \sqrt{250000 - 400.02^2} &\approx 299.97333. \end{aligned}

So in those 0.02 s the height changes by about 299.97333−300.02666299.97333 - 300.02666⁠, and the average rate is −0.053330.02≈−2.6667\frac{-0.05333}{0.02} \approx -2.6667 cm/s, matching −83-\frac{8}{3}⁠. Working in metres instead gives dxdt=0.02\frac{dx}{dt} = 0.02 m/s and dydt=−43(0.02)≈−0.02667\frac{dy}{dt} = -\frac{4}{3}(0.02) \approx -0.02667 m/s, which is the same −83-\frac{8}{3} cm/s.

Common mistakes
  1. Mixing metres and centimetres. Using x=4x = 4⁠, y=3y = 3 with dxdt=2\frac{dx}{dt} = 2 gives "8/3 m/s", 100 times too fast. Either convert lengths to cm or the speed to m/s, but never mix them.
  2. Substituting before differentiating. Writing 16+y2=2516 + y^2 = 25 and then differentiating loses the term 2xdxdt2x\frac{dx}{dt} entirely.
  3. Forgetting to find yy⁠. The rate formula needs yy at the instant; it is 300 cm (from Pythagoras), not given directly.
  4. Dropping dxdt\frac{dx}{dt} or dydt\frac{dy}{dt} in the chain rule. ddt(x2)\frac{d}{dt}(x^2) is 2xdxdt2x\frac{dx}{dt}⁠, not 2x2x⁠.
  5. Sign confusion. dydt=−83\frac{dy}{dt} = -\frac{8}{3} cm/s; the rate of decrease is +83+\frac{8}{3} cm/s.
What to take away
  1. Related rates: write an equation between the quantities that holds at every moment, differentiate it with respect to time, and only then substitute the instant's values.
  2. A fixed length (here the ladder) is what makes the relation x2+y2=constantx^2 + y^2 = \text{constant}⁠, and its derivative is 0.
  3. Put all quantities in one unit system first, and state the final rate with its unit and its direction.

Every fact used, and where it comes from

FactUsed inSource
dydt\frac{dy}{dt} is the rate of change of yy with respect to ttSteps 1, 4–6Section 6.2 (Lesson: rate of change of quantities)
A rate is negative when the quantity decreasesSteps 1, 6Note after Example 3, Section 6.2; Example 4
Pythagoras theoremSteps 2, 3School geometry (right triangles)
Chain ruleStep 4Theorem 4, Section 5.3.1
ddx(xn)=nxn−1\frac{d}{dx}\left(x^n\right) = nx^{n-1}⁠; derivative of a constant is 0Step 4Table 5.3, Section 5.3; constants: Class XI, Limits and Derivatives
1 m = 100 cmStep 1Units
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